In her interview with TrekMovie last week, Discovery co-showrunner Michelle Paradise echoed these sentiments: Well never be done with Tilly. Then there are many women like Sonequa, who feel theyre too skinny. I assume my feelings towards them are what Wesley-haters endure. should take a pear of pruning shears and cut off that little pecker of yours (its what Killy would do). Its participation trophy trek. But dont those characteristics fit better on a younger character, while the older one grows up and changes? That was an awfully fast turnaround. And doesnt that just make the point about the difference between fitness and apparent chunkiness or curveyness. My preference would be to set it post TUC but quite frankly any other established era would be fine. I thought her arc was going to end with her being booted from the service for repeatedly failing physical fitness tests? New episodes of Star Trek: Discovery premiere on Thursdays on CBS All Access in the U.S. and on CTV Sci-Fi Channel in Canada, where it's also available to stream on Crave. Yes! Im sure nearly everyone of the crew of TNG had issues and problems. Originally I imagined him as Denzel Washington or Blair Underwood, but after belatedly watching The Wire and Luther I think Idris Elba would be a really good match. Any accent would be acceptable for a time that hasnt happened yet. The Berman era had specific ideas about things like accents and music that kind of locked it into something fairly homogeneous. With Discovery now firmly planted in the distant future, Paradise notes the importance of ensuring that that show remains connected to the larger Star Trek universe through well-placed references . So many characters, and all were very well developed with interesting stories. This week's episode raised concerns. Its very possible Mary Wiseman wanted off the show, or needed a bit of a break. David Ajala: I think its made Cleveland Booker even more attracted to Michael Burnham because I think he looks and goes Oh, scrumptious. I cant spoil anything into season five, except to say that we love Tilly. WTF this is why Ive been following Star Trek since the original in 1967 when I saw Nichelle Nichols. I dont see a repeated notion that DISCO saved Trek by heavily incorporating emotion into their characters. I like the way you think! Hopefully its . Have you ever read those? I think people need that kind of thing to heal. In fact, it says far more about the body-shamers than it does about those being body-shamed. It is their choice to be as they choose to be, and their responsibility to deal with the pros and cons of whatever fitness choices they choose. I never thought of Adira as being all that similar, but I see your point. Shes only competent because of her character shield, shes mentally and emotionally immature, out of shape for the job shes in and the role she wanted to perform, and would barely survive in a high school, let alone in any capacity at an actual Starfleet. As for the debate about sending the message being overweight is good: the heart of the issue is that everybodys body is their own, not health and physical fitness. Michelle Yeoh, considerably smaller in physical stature, probably weighs around 90# [because she is allll muscle]. | March 22, 2022 | It is constantly exposing the never ending struggle of smart and talented woman of color. She would have flushed out of SFA in her first year. Keep up with theStar Trek Universe at TrekMovie.com. Sort of the same way Spock stayed first officer in the movies to Kirk although he was a captain for five of those films. Harry wasnt annoying. Star Trek: Discovery's Mary Wiseman and David Ajala Dish and Discuss Everybody loves is an idiom, it should never be taken as a strict statement. Many smoke to keep the weight off. Did they write Tilly off of the series? : r/StarTrekDiscovery - reddit Im sorry but what youve described about Tilly is like something out of a Nickelodeon teen high school drama. I think criticism of the actors is wrong as well, its not about the actors its what they have been told deliver. And honestlyKirk wouldnt last a week in a military environment. Jake is about 45-50 and one of the two lead characters. Id add Kirk to that at several times over the years. Shes supposed to set the example. Weight gain from thyroid issues, anti depressants, steroids, is a fairly small percent of the population. Just like every other character in a show that generally is badly written. It was EXACTLY what I needed while mourning my own mother. This is a part of the reason people cant take to them, alongside their poorly written characters. Theyve written Tilly as just the straight oh theres Tilly for the jokes. The only writers they need are people who can polish it up enough so that you cant tell its machine-written. Every woman is very beautiful. Im proud to see that shes proud of herself. No it says a lot about the incredibly dangerous message she is sending. Yes, I like both Barclay and Tilly. I actually had an entire epic story mapped out that I was seriously considering turning into a series of novels. PS. The future doesnt have a preferred accent. Why did they do that? I hope were able to explore it because theres potential for great levity, but then also really important conversations to be had because when you care about someone you dont want to see them go through pain, and I can see completely how Tilly will be very protective of Michael Burnham. That is assuming the this Starfleet Academy show is set in the 32nd century. TrekMovie.com is not endorsed, sponsored or affiliated with CBS Studios Inc., Paramount Pictures Corp. or the Star Trek franchise. Too nervous and anxious. No character like her would ever have graduated Starfleet. Shes fantastic and looks fantastic doing it! She went away and supposedly became an amazing well rounded person. So smart in the Starfleet tradition. Bad writing, illogical story arcs, unbalanced tempo, underdeveloped characters or sudden jumps in character development. There are a lot of people in the comments hating, but in a franchise that includes Neelix, Wesley Crusher, Naomi Wildman, Kes, and Lwaxana Troi, Tilly is frankly nowhere near as annoying as those other characters. Which I think would be a tremendous mistake. Its intolerance in its most basic form, and anyone who engages in, advocates for, or turns a blind eye and deaf ear to it are examples of the worst humanity has to offer, and most certainly have no business calling themselves a Star Trek fan. For your own good, please seek help. Thats kind of what I was playing with. Happy to have your wit, enthusiasm, & talent as part of the franchise. Its really just certain comments sections and Facebook garbage holes. Imo, this show tries so overly hard to be socially progressive, its the very thing that makes it a turn-off. I like seeing her in the series and like knowing that girls who are considered chunky by their teen or tween peers will know they can become something special and respectable, even if they dont have the ideal Hollywood body type. Yes, she was a therapist that say patients in her office but her betazoid abilities aided Picard. If that scene reflects something she regularly incorporates into her real-life, then I think she will be just fine and she can tell the haters to go pound salt. Im sorry I can sugarcoat it. This was her character and then had perhaps one or two incidents where she became a little more focused and then off screen came back a different person. Everyone has their gifts. However, we do know that David Mack does. Nah Book is Boba Fett and I want to see the spin-off series THE BOOK OF BOOK :-). David, Can we expect any surprising uses of the special things that Book can do in season four, now that he can control the spore drive? Cant believe people are so rude as to insult anyone because they dont look the way they expect. That finale appearance was basically a cameo. So, hes likely a good fit for the Hageman brothers who say that they want to bring the Wrath of Khan feeling to the Prodigy audience. At New York Comic Con, TrekMovie participated in some group interviews with members of the cast and crew,. Btw have you come across any good DS9 books about what happened to Sisko or the rest of the crew after the finale? . The moment they decided to incorporate a new character with basically the same characteristics (a young, socially awkward, but very smart ensign) they ruined Tilly. Learning? Having a discussion about healthy weights, healthy eating and physical activity and how thats important is a good Star Trek message. I do not endorse body-shaming in any way, as I was bullied as a kid years ago. Thanks for the correction and yes that is correct. When Mary Wisemans Lt. Sylvia Tilly left the USS Discovery for a job at the new Starfleet Academy in the fourth episode of season four, it was promised she would be back. For me I love how it deals with social logic as well as technology. Because Book is someone who doesnt just have cerebral, intellectual intelligence. ..I have a total girl crush. No probably not. To me, at least. Because she symbolizes the Trekkies, geeks, nerds. Wait I havent watched season 4, nor will I ever after the stupidity that was season 3 But now shes a leader at the academy?! )Granted, I think the special effects, space battles, bizarre technology and explosions are the proverbial tail wagging the dog, but thats always been the case, and is increasingly expected in these post-Star Wars, high tech decades. And CBS posted some images of Emperor Georgious quarters on the ISS Discovery. In CanadaDiscoveryis broadcast on CTV Sci-Fi Channel and streams on Crave. She only graduated from SA herself at the end of season 1. Keep up the great work ladies! Youre perfect as you are. There really are some of the DS9 authors that are stronger and some that tend to tell too much and show to little in their writing in my view. Wiseman had other things to do. TrekMovie.com is not endorsed, sponsored or affiliated with CBS Studios Inc., Paramount Pictures Corp. or the Star Trek franchise. There are characters you really cherish and others that are fun but ultimately nothing special. In season one and early season two, I was finding it credible as a case of someone who had unresolved PTSD and was unmoored from the culture that had encouraged her to supress her trauma. You mean that I can find myself a BBW in the 32nd Century? As you put it: I love how Disco has put the human back into the human experience. And I agree wholeheartedly. Its all relative, but I dont see a lot of actors being body-shamed. Regarding fans, tons of them love Tilly. Mary shouldnt listen to the haters and Sonequa, I never noticed she looked any different than she did before, body wise. Respectfully, to anyone somehow offended by that. He was in the Travis Mayweather category. Thats the thing about DSC. Shes beyond perfect with her line delivery. I always felt that I wanted hips and a butt. If we dont have tolerance and respect, how are we able to learn and improve humanity!? Speaking to Glamour UK, Sonequa Martin-Green revealed that she has dealt with body image issues too: Back in the mid-to-late eighties, early nineties, everything I saw, with hip hop, was all curvy, curvy, big butt, she recalls. You cant be a Star Trek fan and also be a racist or a body shamer. I love how Disco has put the human back into the human experience. They told us and a handful of other outlets what to expect for their characters and more. Episodes will be. This show has been for a niche of Trek fandom not the mainstream. We use cookies to ensure that we give you the best experience on our website. And with Troi being a betazoid, thats why she was on the bridge. And, in that sense, it is okay to be used as it was above. This modern trend of celebrating obesity is what is wrong with American society, and is another reason why the rest of the world laughs at America. Tillys journey has helped me over the last few years. You can start with those or the later books in the Time to sequence without significant confusion. Xanadu? That being said, knowing what weight restrictions there are for men and women serving avoid combat ships in todays Navy, my bet would be she would need to lose some weight to preserve her shipboard assignment in todays real-world Navy. And it was mentioned in one of the episodes of the first season, I dont remember whichwould have to research, that councilors on Galaxy class ships due to the fact that families were on the ship and it was meant for longer than 5 year missions. These are not well-written or well-acted characters, and they weaken the series every time they show up. Sick and tired of T and A being the main focus. You mentioned that the rest of world laughs at America because of obesity. It's mostly the super-hero genre where you see this. But was it not made pretty clear that Counselors had become a regular thing on command crews in the TNG era? In fact most of their fears and phobias were explored in various episodes. I think the ship can handle a little chonk. As I said Tilly has the same issues. The Klingon redesign was much more than a visual reboot and especially the tech aspects dont fit canon (holographic communication, Klingon cloaking, android bridge crew, easy terraforming, state-of-the-art nanotech, Enterprise battle squad). Oh, I think its fine they had a counselor on the SHIP; I just think its weird they had her on the BRIDGE. Tillys character arc was mishandled once they realized Mary Wiseman was cast (Marys a decade or more older than Tilly). What do you think it looks like? Saying that its the job of actors to tell people whats healthy and whats not is the problem, not a solution. 'Star Trek: Discovery' Season 4 Episode 13 Recap: A - TVLine But my initial annoyed response to DISCO in particular, well, Ive let go of that in the past two years, as life is too short to get all worked-up angry over personal quibbles with a tv show. Perhaps season four will address Burnham and Tillys unreadiness on more than an emotional level. Star Trek: Discoverystreams exclusively onParamount+in the U.S. Disco has a lot of problems storywise But not her looks! I keep saying this but its a great time to be a Star Trek fan again! After they wrote her to be the most annoying person possible. Thematic darkness is fine but graphic visuals arent. The only thing she is qualified for at Starfleet Academy is as a 23rd century specialist. Its one thing thats definitely been improved upon by the more recent stuff. I think the character would have been much better served if Tillys quirks were something that changed as the character grew over the seasons. Mary Wiseman is confirmed to return as Sylvia Tilly in Star Trek: Discovery season 5, although whether she rejoins the crew or continues at Starfleet Academy and only interjects occasionally remains unknown. Maybe its just me, but I dont really care about women or mens weight on TV shows, I dont care for negative comments on them by haters, but neither do I care for the actors/actresses making such a whiney big deal about it. The rumors started and spread like wildfire when some fanatics of Star Trek Discovery found out that Mary gained a few pounds between the seasons. What tradition do you speak of? In the season four finale Coming Home, Mary Wiseman returned as Lt. Tilly, now a Starfleet Academy leader working with cadets and Admiral Vance to coordinate the evacuation and defense of Earth on Federation HQ. Shes magnetic. I agree, in fairness Barclay was relatable in many ways, socially awkward but not too overplayed. But it looks like TG47 answered your question! Not sure what the formal CBS/Paramount process is for publishing that kind of stuff, but the story was so detailed that I genuinely wanted to begin looking into it. I saw someone just last month asking on a Facebook fanpage if Starfleet had some kind of physical fitness standard and if so, shes violating it, ect.the same old idiotic abusive misogyny disguised as genuine concern. The ships shrink should not be a Command level position and in fact would make sense to be on the CMOs staff. Thanks for the heads up about Beyer and the Voyager books. Star Trek: Discovery | Tilly Chooses To Live | Paramount+ He also has emotional intelligence. The U.S.S. As an officer shes supposed to be leader. But the show almost seems to go out of its way every season for some of the dumbest story points you can think of. Like a lot of people, she pivoted and found herself in a new role as teacher. However, in the same interview she also talked about how some fans have not been so supportive in season three: I noticed theres definitely been an uptick in body-shaming towards me and Tilly this season, which was harrowing because Im a person, I have a history and bullying is totally a part of that. Maybe having had to step up to the plate before she was ready I think she intellectually knows that she didnt fail, and that its not her fault that Osyraa took the ship, she didnt have all the information, but I still think the fact that that she took command and somehow lost the ship would be an enormous blow to her confidence and make her question a lot of stuff. But respect is always earned and never enforceable. Tilly and Me - Star Trek Overweight and obesity are not a matter of looks or body shape, and those who feel free to body-shame are off-side and frequently unkind. Thats undeniable. Star Trek: Discovery Season 4 Episode 4 Recap Is Tilly Leaving? | TVLine All Access Star Trek Podcast, Discovery, DS9, Lower Decks, Section 31, Star Trek 4, Star Trek: Picard, Star Trek: Prodigy, Strange New Worlds. And its funny that you bring up needing constant therapy as a bad thing when a ton of real life people see a therapist on a regular basis. I hope that Wiseman uses that info into the future because it does work for fat burning and muscle building.. And now, with only three years under her belt in the field, only two of which were as a ranked officer, they think shes somehow ready to train the next generation of recruits?! First of all, because theres more options for cosplay now, because she changed her hair. The reason why Troi was on the bridge all the timewas that she was a betazoid. This sounds kind of racist. The episode, titled "All Is Possible,". My point was Why does the ships therapist have a bridge station? I would just be happy if Rhys got more than three lines an episode lol. Mary Wiseman: We dont have that many scenes together but theres a lot of tension between us just as actors and personalities. So many jerks in this world, its good to see decent people. Barclay was another unrealistic character that never shouldve made it in to Starfleet. Is Mary Wiseman Pregnant? Weight Gain And Pregnancy Rumor Of The That could be it. The fourth episode of the new season of Star Trek: Discovery ("All is Possible") arrived this morning and it has fans buzzing about Lt. Sylvia Tilly. Marys my TV crush for the last 3 years. I suppose thats why some places are rising and others are very visibly in decline. It would make sense if you knew the story ;) Lets just say Jake did write his famous book a couple of years after the end of DS9, but in the years and decades ahead he went on to much bigger things and took his career and his life in a very different direction. Its not SMGs fault of course, its just the way she has be written throughout the series. Funny enough, I have never had a problem with Wesley. Everybody loves Tilly. Except the writers of course. They basically wrote her off the show! I even got a t-shirt that says DISCO on it, which prompts inquiries about my musical tastes of past decades when I was a twenty-something, lol. Doug Jones Transforms into Star Trek: Discovery's Saru | Star Trek I love Tilly. Tilly got fat, that is inexcusable. out of shape for the job shes in and the role she wanted to perform. Sense of morals. How blandly Puritan. Make it make sense! This is rare case were I actually agree with Lorma. But I have to say, when they named her Killy, it made the already off-kilter character even more ridiculous. Thats a refreshing thing for Berman Era Star Trek, when characters tend to be more reserved and the dialogue is highly stylized and precise. David Ajala: Yeah. I know most dont share my opinon that after a terrible first half of S1, I have generally liked Discovery but making Tilly first officer was quite possibly the most ridiculous plot twist in the history of Trek. David, has Michael becoming captain changed Books relationship with her? Too nervous and anxious. Stupid decision to bring her back. Episodes will be. So it has been hard, and its really hard to avoid, because it pops up on all the [social media] accounts, or people comment on my posts with cruel, unscientific comments. Im glad we are finally seeing it. Mary Wiseman Talks Curvy Killy On 'Star Trek: Discovery'; Kate Mulgrew (OMG, weve gone way off topic lol. Mary Wiseman (actress) - Wikipedia No spoilers in case I ever decide to actually the write the thing, but youd love it as a DS9 fan. Would a woman watching this aspire to be a Tilly or aspire to be a Dax, Kira or Janeway? There is such a difference between having criticisms of the way the characters are written and criticizing the actors performance/craft and their leadership in the company. And, yeah, I've also heard a rumor about a potential Starfleet Academy series, and I'm assuming it's being set in the future setting of Discovery. They just didnt do much with him. Perhaps they had a second or third language that they use regularly. I think that in a world thats so repressed and violent, violence becomes these peoples only outlet for pleasure and release. Its been a continuing book series since 2009 and still going. No character like her would ever have graduated Starfleet. I for one have always had to watch my weight and I still wage the battle to this day. Tilly is not a perfect officer. It feels the only reason was to have a non-binary character, which after a few episodes ended up fading into the background with the rest of the furniture anyway. I agree 100%. Thats the thought I had last season, when they had the perfect chance to wirte out Burnam (I believe it was Reunification III or the one after that) and they just didnt follow through at the end. I agree! It is also available on Netflix in 190 countries around the world. I like Tilly but shes not my favourite character. She is relatable and human and wonderful. Since season one, Tilly (Mary Wiseman). I agree with you on principle as far at this being fine on a fictional Star Trek show. She's interviewed several Star Trek . I really liked her in the first season. By: TrekMovie.com Staff The show will roll out on Paramount Plus in the US, and is expected to stream on Netflix elsewhere. Also the writers, Erika Lipoldt and Bo Yeon Kim. Right? I think Mary is doing a fantastic job as isSonequa, Their characters are fantastic as are all the others. Sigh all you like, but thats not going to magically make physics and biology work differently. I expect that well have her in the world and all of those things. Like damn the guy's 90 ffs give him a break. Mary Wiseman | Body Measurements WATCH: Moments of Discovery - Tilly's Snowglobe | Star Trek Finally, actress Rekha Sharma shared this fun behind-the-scenes photo with Doug Jones and David Benjamin Tomlinson, where she lamented Landry being killed off yet again. Given all the trouble the crew got into, Im sure they needed one on the ship. As an actress and a person I dont mind her at all, shes lovely. Star Trek Tilly Weight Gain: Mary Wiseman Weight Gain - Is She Married Wiseman would be smart to ignore the haters because their posts are rooted in negativity and hate. Just more pandering. New episodes of Star Trek: Discovery premiere on Thursdays on CBS All Access in the U.S. and on CTV Sci-Fi Channel in Canada, where it's also available to stream on Crave. It felt like an organic exit, and with the way that others said goodbye to her, it . Is her awkwardness all that different from Ezri on DS9? And yeah, some of us are coach potatoes, most of us certainly not gold cut supermodels. I LOVE the future! She never wouldve made it through the Academy. The very basis of Star Trek is in direct conflict with people like that. The journey to discovering Tilly, the rescue puppy that would change our lives, began before she was even born. So I think we pick up with her after some time has passed since the events of that season, but shes still sort of not really sure what to make of it, and everything that used to be really comfortable isnt sitting as comfortably as it used to if that makes sense. The frequency and level of mockery and hate, very often is targeted to the female actors, for them to behave like women, to behave as woman leaders. It would definitely be great if Rhys was promoted to first officer. And saying they should be sending this message is just another way to try to bully someone into doing what you want, not what that person wants for their self. The visual reboot premise was overstretched. David Ajala: What about Grudge in the mirror universe? Just grow up and ignore the random internet comments you are elevating the drama of this internet troll thing by talking about it. One reason why I think people gravitated towards Trip the most on Enterprise was that the combination of writing and performances created one of the most believable humans in Star Trek this side of Dr. McCoy and Chief OBrien. Sad but true, yet we always opt to genuflect in the direction of the elephant. Maybe Saru wont be on the ship as much but Im guessing they are going the same direction. People sit around a lot more nowadays for a lot of reasons. | November 13, 2021 | It just really doesnt fit in this show however. Sharing? Roddenberrys imprint on Next Gen made the characters not flawed enough for some tastes, granted, but Deep Space Nine, Voyager, and Enterprise have countless examples of human foibles and emotions sure, not to the degree as Discovery, with its ship full of Barclays as one commenter put it, rhetorically. Like maybe he would be way too codependent or something? I have this image in my head of the EPs saying to Mack that theyd like species that havent been main characters in other shows and asking him to give a list of options for a big and strong species, a species without a bianary gender etc. Somehow these insecure people feel others not like them are a threat to how they see themselves and how the world should, in their opinion, be. Well, its certainly a good thing that Tilly is a fictional character, and neither she nor the woman who plays her (Wiseman) is in todays real-world Navy.. Correct me if I am wrong, but did she not have to take a command course at some point? When all evidence points to her character not being loved or even liked (the actress is fine; shes been poorly handled by the writers (Michelle Paradise). It has also been speculated that Wiseman may be moving over to the proposed Starfleet Academy show openly discussed by Alex Kurtzman and Paramount+ execs but not yet officially ordered as a series. DSC had many issues at the beginning. In fact this is Discoverys success is showing human emotion as another frontier to cross because it is in fact the major component in value choices and decisions that are an unrecognized part of strategic and political decisions as per our many current political divides in US. I realized that unless I wanted to deal with health issues like hypertension, diabetes and other medical ailments, I would have to eat less and less as I got older and older.